Marco: We are facing up like a lot of problem that we are like spending a lot of money for bringing like a lot of tourists that stay short. But the return on investment, all of all of these people that is coming is not that high.

 

Federico: So it I don’t know what festivals a week of gathering of nomads and locals here in Palermo. We had talks, conferences, activities and night parties and around more than 100 people showed up. We had an amazing week. It’s not a cult, but it seems like a cult because it’s such a different way of thinking. Yeah, I just get out my door and I meet people just hanging out there or passing by, and it’s. It’s very nice feeling. That doesn’t happen at my own village sometimes. Right. Because everybody left.

 

Cesar: What is the purpose of this event for you and.

 

Marco: What’s happening with the digital nomad? That is like a perfect target for their sustainable tourism, is that they stay longer, even if they are not conscious. Digital nomad, they are like traveling sustainably, not because they are moving from one country to another country, but because they arrive in a place. They stay longer and they know the locals. They are like starting to invest in what is like the local economy.

 

Cesar: Brave enough to live wise enough too long. We stay longer, we care deeper. Not tourists, temporary citizens. There is a reason for people to come back to Palermo in 2027 was one that we.

 

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Cesar: Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Colliers Club here. Today I’m in Palermo and I’m super excited to be joined by Marco Trainer Alfieri Cody Land. Hello. How are you guys?

 

Marco: I’m well. And you?

 

Cesar: Very good. How are you, Federico?

 

Federico: Very good, very resilient.

 

Cesar: Yeah, because last week, you guys happened to organize something called Italia analysis. Do you know something about this?

 

Marco: Yes, we know about this.

 

Cesar: Maybe two months.

 

Marco: No more than two months.

 

Cesar: So. Very good. Maybe. Can you explain to the audience what is this Italian fest?

 

Federico: So it. I don’t know what fest was a week of gathering of nomads and locals here in Palermo. We had talks, conferences, activities and, night parties and, around, more than 100 people showed up. We had an amazing week. Even the weather was great, even if it’s March and, we had amazing time.

 

Cesar: Yeah. What are your, outtakes? Marco, about this, last week’s event. Oh.

 

Marco: Last week event was like, something that I was, like, planning, like some time, some years. The show is like that. Like the conclusion of a pass or maybe the beginning of a new person. And because it’s something that is like already expressing inside the community, that is like the only thing that the managing. And so he’s like the idea to connect with locals and with foreigners, travelers and then to eliminate the barrier between like the conception that you have right to just traveling or just being local. So the idea is try to create like a new kind of citizen inside Palermo, but also need to be like media for other cities or other places where like the foreigners is has as value for the place where they are traveling. So it is like, I don’t know, a dream that is coming true because the event was like really good thanks to the team that is was working with us. So, yeah, yeah.

 

Cesar: Yeah. And for it happened in Italy, right, in Sicily, Palermo. And this is an amazing city. And yeah, you are from here, right?

 

Marco: Yes. We were we are in Italy. We are in Palermo. And yes, I’m, I’m local. So I had the pleasure to connect to like all the municipality and the local institution also friends, family that was like appearing and then stayed during the, during the festival. So yes, I’m local.

 

Cesar: Right? Federico, you are not so local, but you feel like a local, right?

 

Federico: Absolutely. I’m from Rome, still Italy, but, Italy is very diverse, as we know. And, the first day I arrived in Palermo, I sat like, at home. Also, thanks to big community and Marco’s work during the years. But the city really opened its doors to us both. As an, as expats, as visitors, as, the festival was, developing during the week. So we couldn’t really make this without the support of the whole city and the institutions that Marco connected with him.

 

Cesar: Absolutely. Because I was surprised I was here as a speaker. Right. And I was attending the event was amazing. Guys. Like, for the first time event, everything were worked out perfectly, I must say, which is like, we should knock on. Good. No. Yeah. The venue was ridiculous, so I wanted to ask you, how did you guys manage to get Villa Insieme, which is, a villa from the 1800s? The royals, where they’re living, nowadays is you managed to make it a venue for 100 digital nomads around the world in 2024.

 

Marco: Yes, more or less. October, I met Fabio Corsini. That is like representing the community. Palermo at the moment. So he’s like the I think, inside of the municipality, he’s managing Covid in international relationship of, of the city and then of the mayor. And then of course, he’s well-connected, like proposing like, oh, well, we need to organize something for the digital nomads. You know what the of the newspaper is speaking about that I think the city’s ready and they say, yes, this is a good idea. I think that you should do here in Milan. I mean, because he’s working there and he is like kind of like the hands of the mayor. So there is no hope he’s there. So he’s spending like Covid in all the meeting. And then all the days there. So he’s it was like the major in the city of Palermo is really opening day. Right. So this is Venetian is the house of, of of Palermo.

 

Cesar: And so we picked out the mayor to do the event.

 

Marco: Yeah. Of course.

 

Cesar: Okay. So I think that’s it.

 

Marco: This model let’s he let us.

 

Cesar: Okay, okay. Let us do it. Yeah.

 

Marco: And so, and then was like amazing because like, at the beginning, my expectation wasn’t like to do, like something that great. So of course, like as a first edition, as you mentioned, everything was like more or less smooth. But, I think that that it was like because with the municipality, we did like, I really am teamwork where like everything was organized even because the the question is not exactly in the middle of the city as you experience it. So we then the mayor and then his office create the connection also with the public transportation company that they in. So they provided like all the busses. And then it was like super efficient. Yes. It was like always on time if you need like also to participate or anticipate time, they work like really well. Like we just we wound up with a call like, oh we need this. So everyone was like super supportive, like super like happy to help us and welcome like this, this kind of event. And then there was like also the Chamber of economic, industries in Palermo. So they, they El Paso to to connect with all the small activities that was like really part it was like they all the ceramic and.

 

Cesar: For.

 

Marco: The pottery workshop or like the wine tasting was like and then also they, you know, the gala dinner was all supported by doing by the body but coffee commercial. So it was like a really good, like teamwork. Also with like public administration. That is not easy in Palermo. We need that in there that they think everywhere in every country.

 

Cesar: Yeah we go crossing is sometimes crazy.

 

Marco: They are like, surely sometimes it’s lower than like than the private. No, no. So it was long pass more than I hear. Like working like understanding. Like changing.

 

Cesar: Plan. Yes. Absolutely. So yeah, because the bus, for example, was quite important, I think was, I thought a success. And the idea to have the event a little bit outside of the city, it gives you more opportunity to okay, we go to the event somewhere else that is close to the city, but having a bus to pick you up from the location, because right now we are here in the community in Botanical Garden. Why do you think it’s called Botanical Garden? Well, I hope people can see if you like watching the video that is surrounded by these beautiful, beautiful garden.

 

Marco: We are also in front of the booth now.

 

Cesar: I’m not so sure.

 

Marco: Yeah, so. Or maybe they are stealing our name.

 

Cesar: For us for first. But yeah, they having the bus to pick you up from, from the leaving, making some other stops and then getting to them to the event was just amazing and so. Well, design. Right. Because this, you have to take into consideration a lot of things. But I wanted to ask you, Federico, what about the challenges of the event? Well, what are the main challenges that you needed to overcome to make this a success?

 

Federico: Well, we were lucky because, we created this event with two companies coming together. So from that side, everything was incredibly smooth. You know, team dynamics can be complicated, but we worked perfectly, for more than a year. And so what we were talking about, like, the different speeds of private and public sector, was probably a challenge. Even if everything worked out, we nomads tend to do things from the bottom up. Right? So don’t we prefer asking for forgiveness then?

 

Cesar: Yes.

 

Federico: Right. But then we had to integrate a top down approach. And so we met in the middle with all the, opportunities that municipality and other institutions gave us. So meeting in the middle really made the event possible. And it was a success because of that, because then you, the transport, all the little shops and bigger shops that helped us. They had their own timings, their, their own needs and we, made the best out of them, out of every situation. So that was a challenge. But we, we managed to, to get to get through.

 

Cesar: Right. So, so yeah. So the bureaucracy and connecting all of these dots and all of these people and businesses and it was the most complicated and challenging aspect of the event. Wow. Okay. And I wanted to ask you both about the what is the purpose of this event for you?

 

Marco: And the purpose of the event is like, as I said before, connecting and creating a bridge between like we struggling and and we it’s like in the city because usually what’s happening with the normal tourism is that we are just consuming. So the people that is traveling, just consuming the city, because of course, they stay in that short terms and then it’s not like to generate the volume and say, oh my God, society and what’s happening with the digital nomad? That is like a perfect target for sustainable tourism is that they stay longer, even if they are not conscious. Digital nomad they are. They are like traveling, sustainable, not because they are moving from one country to another country, but because they they arrive in a place, they stay longer. They know the locals. They are like starting to invest in what is like the local economy, for example, like you are going to cut your hair, you’re going to make their nails, or so they are going to use all the services of the city and then we in in a tourist city as like Pilar Palermo is becoming but is helpful also for other places. But it could be Venice or like Barcelona. Some of they, they are like we are facing up like a lot of problem that we are like spending a lot of money for bringing like a lot of tourists that stay short. But the return on investment, all of all these people that is coming is not that high. So the idea is like to have like more, less people but more quality. In this way you are going to optimize the cost to reach and maintain the people in the city. But at the same time you are someone that is like still investing in the economy and then in an environment like a Palermo, the good important thing is that all the younger is like going away to study, to find like a new job, corporate job. So we are like and I’m speaking also in the for for the municipality. What we are doing is like doing the like the marketing of the territory. What I’m going to say you can stay in your place, you can come to my place and work from all over the world. Think are super high level of quality life. Yeah. So this is more or less what we are trying to.

 

Cesar: Yeah. It’s also a very interesting insights now because if cities then suddenly shift from low cost to tourists then there’s no need for they’ll play. So there’s no need for a supermarket, there’s no need for a lot of local businesses that they are supporting. The people that actually live there. So it’s going to be like a bowl of of a snow, right? That starts, and you cannot stop it. No. Unless you are strategic enough about who’s actually staying on supporting different types of economies, that have long investment in mind.

 

Marco: The thing is that we we are not against the tourism.

 

Cesar: No, of course not.

 

Marco: Because every place, especially Italy, you see the sustainability come in this 80%.

 

Cesar: From the to it needs to be balanced.

 

Marco: But can we manage. So if you allow everyone to come, if you allow like everything. So we are not doing a good strategy on who is coming is like a company. So you have you, you are not going to control and then you are not to succeed with the goal. And the goal for the city is not just renting. Tourism is also like guarantee that the cities only stay starting well. And then if you have like a mass tourism, what’s happening is that is becoming like a kind of windows display. So donor cafe.

 

Cesar: Case you.

 

Marco: Have like food and then also the culture is going to be destroyed because like you go in the city center, you find like fake local food overpriced. And then of course it’s not what the local want. And then if you are living in the city center as a local, of course you are going to living in the periphery or somewhere else because you can’t manage, you know, the coffers at the beginning, the cost. But also the environment is not yours.

 

Cesar: Yeah. And, Federico, so what about the purpose for the Italian access for you? What was the purpose behind it?

 

Federico: I’ve been a normal for quite some time now, and I’ve been to many fests and retreats and locations, and, I’ve seen this opportunity to bring nomads together in a gathering. So together, also to bring down that wall that was forming in this bubble. And so with these intentions of making tourists become, temporary citizens, I said opportunity to give nomads, a moment where they could really meet the locals or see how is to live in Palermo and not just to come here and, extract value from the place, like mass tourism does, but contribute help the young to become nomads themselves. Having a remote job. That’s sort of the first step, right? So many other fests. Where are some. And we are I am, I owe a lot to allow the festival into, we wanted to make things a bit differently because we have the support of the city, and we have this goal of the, sustainability. And so we thought, yes, that’s a great gathering for nomads, but also, let’s make them meet locals and let the locals meet the nomads, because sometimes, still nowadays, we still got some, nomad first. What’s a normal for us that we live in? It’s it’s a concept that is easy, but for people to say like.

 

Cesar: Nah, that doesn’t mean they. I think it’s a called. It’s not I called, okay.

 

Federico: It’s not. It’s not a cult. It seems like a cult because it’s such a different way of thinking and approaching life problems. As I was saying before, from the bottom up. Right. By getting your hands hands dirty, that is such, far, far from, normal life of most of the people. Yeah. Right. So the purpose was two ways of making the city sustainable. And letting locals and nomads meet.

 

Cesar: Yeah. You also mentioned, citizens on. It’s also part of this beautiful brand name that I really love. You can see it here in the in the pamphlets. In the stickers. I love this. See, it’s not it says brave enough to live wise enough too long. We stay longer. Weaker, deeper. Not tourists, temporary citizens. Wow. How did you guys came up with this amazing branding? I know there’s something behind it. Maybe just plain about it.

 

Marco: Yeah. This, like, brand identity with community is like co-living, but is coming from, like a consulting company. This be beetroot. And of course, like, we know how to manage the brand identity because business services that we offer. And then if the brand is like good as that is not because of me, but it’s because I’m Mira that is that like money, like, I don’t know, left side or right side. That’s fine. But these shoes, what can we do in this thing here. So we we have client. We are guests. But we like always like to improve like with this. Like the meaning of something. So the idea on the baseline of reaching this goal and then these like good brand identity is that we have like a strong connection. So she can understand really well, which is my idea or the idea of the client. And then is like coming like from like how we know to work together. So I know my industry that is like the normal because of course the only thing is since I think almost ten years, so we know each other. So the communication is the first things at the base of every team. But of course, if you have someone, the team, the team stay like really close to you is like, I don’t know, the cherry on top. It’s like the connection is like, make the work like better than the other one.

 

Cesar: Yes. And you also have in, in, in the detail industry for some time. You even are part of Nomad Retreats. Right. Can you tell us more about it?

 

Federico: Well, yes, I’m the co-founder of Nomad Retreats, that is a marketplace that collects all the retreats, workshops and festivals from nomads. Because me and my co-founder, Alessio, that’s also part of it. I when I was first we saw this opportunity of this missing tool online and, after years of traveling, we said, let’s build it. And that gave us, that was the first step for us to go from, guests or clients to doers and makers. So that became a brand. And that became a, conversation starter. So I was not only Federico de Nomad, but I was the co-founder of retreats. And that helped us also meet market, say, yeah, let’s do something together. As brands and companies that work in the space. Marco has the local knowledge. We have the Nomad events knowledge, and it was a great wedding. I think.

 

Cesar: So we might.

 

Federico: Say. Yeah. And he knows also he’s been an honor to us. So we were speaking the same language all the time. Of course I’m not from Palermo and, you know, we needed, all the, all the angles to approach a problem and a challenge that was this big because also organizing this event in, like, practically when the the municipality said that I go in six months, that was also.

 

Cesar: Challenged to know that this is not the time that we.

 

Federico: Also all have our own, our own full time jobs and other side projects.

 

Cesar: So yeah, also, I know, from some inside information, can you tell us about the gala and how you started to plan it like months and months ago? Right. I know that it was a little bit, last minute in order to find the the catering service and the.

 

Marco: So the gala was like something that was always in.

 

Cesar: In.

 

Marco: My, in my mind to develop like a kind of like way to show how we got there in like, not just for, like, having a dinner together, like as a digital nomad, but is also a way to show up how Sicilian is gathering usually in terms of like of like not just party but in a family. So usually this kind of gala dinner that we don’t go to gala dinner is like more international things. So it’s like a kind of family hosting, dinner together. So I was like, difficult to organize, first of all, because we, we need to find the right location. Yes. And then in the beginning was it wasn’t the mission. It was another place. So we moved like several idea. And then in the last month, the last month, we we speak with Fabrice and I call we have like this not problem but we find this and Fabio that is like the from the municipality like why don’t you do here you say like wow is one of the best place where we go. Yeah, I know I miss this dinner. So we decide to move forward there and then they did the difficult thing in this in this kind of like me grow event inside of the week is like that. You need to of course having having like someone that know how to or not. Yeah. We was adopted by commercial as I mentioned before. So as she was that she be I say she because of listening to is lady and so she connect us with like Galata catering. So they take about they care about everything from the food to like also prepare the space in the right way. Wasn’t that difficult to organize because like we was, we had like the best, service ever. We had like the best location and there so everything was move. But of course behind that is like someone that is like making like, deals with the people. And then it’s not always easy to to find the right way. And was important also the support of like all the there is like a winery association. That is like collecting in a community of the younger generation of the, of the wine historical winery. The name is generation and that provide like for the gala dinner just for the Guardian. Like I think like 20 brand of wine. So whilst there you can choose which one.

 

Cesar: Yeah. The wines were amazing. That their food was really good, really good.

 

Marco: You can choose which one you want. It was fun because you can try like different wine. Yeah, that with different characteristics. And so it was well I think was like more than my expectation, you know, the event in general. But the gala dinner was played a lot.

 

Cesar: Yeah. It wasn’t like a cherry on top. Absolutely. And it was so fun because and gala dinner, maybe I was to also show up in your most amazing clothes. Yeah, I saw a lot of the North Face. Because. Yeah, as nomads, normally I don’t go with a tuxedo. My, it was super interesting. So it’s, so well organized. The mayor was there. She came twice to the event. Now to to, do the opening as well. Part of the opening and the gala dinner was one, like. Okay. Yeah, the Palermo, mayor is here. Okay. That’s the super interesting.

 

Marco: That they want. So is something that wasn’t like, oh, I will give you my brand is more. It was like more like, let’s put together so it wasn’t like whisper like a real partner. So I’ll be the first investor because they, they, they provide like connection location. So they help us like, like a lot. We didn’t receive money. But of course the value that they provide like was, you know, like kind of a lot of money if it was a long like to have been something like that probably wasn’t like the same level of the event. So we can reach this kind of level just for the location.

 

Cesar: Yes.

 

Marco: So yeah, the mayor up here because was easy. That was our opening like that. Yeah. So nice.

 

Cesar: Yeah. And Federico, how did it all started? How did he really start it? How do you connect with Marco? Where like, how did this idea sparked.

 

Federico: As normal retreats? Also, we wanted to do a bigger event or maybe something immediately because, yeah, connecting with the space and we didn’t find the right time of people until I met Marco in another North Fest. The normal world fest in normal movida by, our friend Gonzalo. That if you don’t know that he basically invented Madera as a nomad destination in 2021. And so he has this festival, and Marco was a panelist, and, I also was a panelist, actually. And, we just met as Italians. Italians. Let’s have a talk. San Marco, just in person, he told me, have like to do some events like that in Palermo. And I told him, yes, let’s do Italian Fest together, though. Let’s not do some event. Let’s make it big. Let’s make it important for the whole system. Let’s invite all the events in Italy back here. Let’s make it different. Not just a copycat of other events, because we want to create a special thing. Yeah.

 

Cesar: Wow. And how long have you been a digital nomad?

 

Federico: Me since 2019.

 

Cesar: 24.

 

Federico: But I’ve been remote working since 2012. So for me was not when Covid really didn’t change much. Things. And I will never guess as a nomad or someone that starts to be a nomad, the the journey that would become my life in these years, like I would never guess six years ago, seven years ago that I would be the co-founder of Italian Nomad. First, you can tell me that I would say nah, no, it happened, but it happened. And that’s, I think the that’s only my story. But all the other stories of people I meet, that are enormous. For a long enough time, they all see this kind of incredible transformation in their life. And, even if they don’t become co-founder of a national nomad fest, they all have their own, fair share of uplifting.

 

Cesar: Yeah, girls.

 

Federico: No yes in their life. So, yeah, I would never guess that I would hand the prize to the mayor of Palermo. Yes. During the gala night, we had the retreats, awards, oh, my retreats, awards. And of course, the city of Palermo had, the role, a big role in the fest. So it was our honor to handle them a little prize. That’s the same beautiful design we have.

 

Cesar: Yeah, it’s the like that.

 

Federico: Like that?

 

Cesar: Yes. Yeah. And there’s even an emoji that you use now with a hand in all email communications. I just love these little details and touches that. Yeah. Makes the event see like literally the running again is just amazing. And there is also a new issue.

 

Marco: Yes.

 

Cesar: I know my last sentence. I have it here. See me Marco can tell us about it.

 

Marco: Yes, we. Of course. I have to thank you, Valeria, because, like she she’s like, managing this amazing, newspaper. What I love about that is that it’s still paper. You can touch it, you can receive it. So it’s like something amazing. Even this was like a big project in partnership.

 

Cesar: Yeah. It seems like you did it on my face was big projects inside a big project. You know, like, everything in.

 

Marco: The Italian room at first is like a kind of materials kind.

 

Cesar: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Marco: Big things. So the idea is to promote Palermo and then Palermo is not like some, a normal city, is. It? Is like a city. That was always moment. So now we have a digital nomads because we are using like a digital tools to move and then stay in a place longer. But in real Palermo was like a place is a place where like culture, artist workers like was always like turning around like the city. So is the I think as a local, but also like as a traveler because I don’t that more, more, more or less all, all around the world. Palermo is like one of the first nomad place where you can like say, oh, this is like the place with.

 

Cesar: Them because it’s in the middle of the Mediterranean.

 

Marco: Yes, in the middle of the Mediterranean. We had a lot of domination, so easy in our blood to welcome like a foreigners or like someone that is not the same of us also our people. If you are like walking around, we are not like really white, black or like we are.

 

Cesar: Or something.

 

Marco: Different.

 

Cesar: Yeah, just people who came from Africa, from the north, from Italy, from Greece, from Spain. Right. That’s what.

 

Marco: We are, a huge mix. So when you when you come in a city of Palermo, when you come in Palermo, you feel it, you feel it in making the architecture because there is times that is like stay one layer on the other layer, you feel like in the people because like you see like different kind of face, different kind of approach. And then I think that the foreigners that is coming here, it doesn’t matter if you don’t know the difference. They feel it. They feel like home. Because like, you know, our culture been our way to stay with the people we are super welcome. So we like that, that, that if you need something, we are going to ask you, we are going to help you. We are going to make you part of our community. So of course parliaments a lot of problem. And then as a every city is not the exact city, not city is perfect, but it’s a place where you can belong and usually as experience as a host of, of the living. And then as a local, the people that usually experience Palermo, they, they love it. And then most of the time they come back is and then is part of the project of the communities like to tell how Palermo can host you and then show you how families like very welcoming to the people. Then this project was really hard to reach because we worked like with the municipality too, and they gave us the like really short deadline. You should have been writing for the magazine. They ask us to be hard before December, so we did like a huge work with Valeria too, like, oh, we need to produce it. We we, I need to and then I said that we need to put on the table like before the 28th December. So in the middle there was Christmas.

 

Cesar: Yeah.

 

Marco: Wow. So it was, it was difficult. But we did it. And then from east like I can say that I’m proud to work with Valeria and then she’s like an amazing partner. And then probably also we are going to develop something together more.

 

Cesar: Nice because I also she was a speaker here, or she was, telling about the new issue of the magazine. She was telling that a second to Palermo with the Nomad cruise.

 

Marco: Yeah.

 

Cesar: And you got a hold of her, and you were like, we need to make this a lot of ideas. And that’s how you actually meet and meet. And then we just let this happen. And I can totally see in my community that the quirkiness and the place where for me, the other key sure is there’s workshops. And when you mix people, there’s a lot of ideas, right? I know that you, Federico, you are part of multiple side projects. You are such separate expert. And so how do your projects start and how does it relate to the retail nomad lifestyle?

 

Federico: Which one? Yeah. Oh.

 

Cesar: Well.

 

Federico: Yeah, without being too specific, they all start with people first. Yeah. You can have ideas. Actually, at the beginning I was struggling to find my own startup idea or you know, but then when you find the right people at the right moment the things just flows. And I didn’t believe this until I lived it. And when I met Marco, and then Marco called me three months later and say, hey, we have the municipality Leslie done on first. So yes. Then when another friend that I met at another nomad, first in Tirana in Albania one year later, he told me, I have this project. Do you want to come onboard and say, that’s cool? Yes. Another friend that I met multiple times during my nomadic journey. He’s another two. Domenico. We met multiple times, and at some point I said there should be a reason we keep me. Yeah, let’s do something together. And he said, yes, let’s do something together. And now we are partner in, and business. That’s the beauty of going around and meeting people. Basically people that are proactive, intentional and, they want to contribute positively to the world. I think that’s a big part of the nomadic lifestyle. And Nomad magazine started as a beach. Valeria, call at a nomad cruise. So, you know.

 

Cesar: It goes full circle. Yeah.

 

Federico: So it’s great. And Nomad Cruise won best Nomad experience at the awards during the gala dinner. So. Yeah, it’s, it’s maybe, from the inside, it looks like a small community, but it’s actually very expansive. It grows a lot. Yeah, I do a lot of things.

 

Cesar: And the thing is, the each person knows a lot of digital nomads, right? So there’s this this, theory of this six degrees of separation, where you are supposedly six people away from connecting now to reach anyone in the world. So, it’s quite interesting to know that, you can totally have this feeling in the community. For example, to play, we organize the potluck. Where here you meet community in botanical garden. We host 40, 60, 80. How many how many people come here for the potluck?

 

Marco: Depends on that. The festival is like an event that we are hosting in MIT Community Center, like 670 here. And it’s nice because the people is coming without any expectation. But at the end we create a lot of connection. Connection that is like from local expo exhibitors. That was like with our guest, the new guest. So what’s happening is that everyone is bringing something to eat or drink that is like food and drink is always the best way.

 

Cesar: Yes, absolutely.

 

Marco: And then we just gathering together and then is something special because it’s free and then for us there’s also a way not just to do marketing in the city because it’s something that we don’t really care about, right? Yeah. That is.

 

Cesar: Meaningful marketing. Right.

 

Marco: So meaningful is like giving like call. We have like a private structure that is going to attract with the public. So you are more than welcome to come and get experience with us, connect with us. And the idea is coming from like to have like a circular economy. So in this event I’m putting like value that to be like the house or like, a pastor and you come here, we meet each other and maybe we will start a business or maybe you tomorrow, you call me or Marco. I have this idea. Can we develop together or. There is like a different value that is not just in the economical side, is just on the value on what the people can bring with their skills, with the person, with the like, proactive things. So yes, I believe potluck is something that I’m super Bravo.

 

Cesar: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well I feel that Federico, there is a reason for people to come back to Palermo in 2027. What’s cool is that we.

 

Federico: Well, we did so well in the first year, as people told us that we are doing Italian Nomad Fest again. And, we start from a great base so we can only build on that and, make it even more inclusive, more sustainable, more awesome higher level speakers. We are aiming for a little bit more people. Not too many, maybe because we know that with size you gain something, but you lose also a bit of the human connection that you can make. So let’s see the size. But yeah, in alignment first.

 

Cesar: 2020 is seriously. Yes. Really. So if you are looking for an event for a full week event, not full, full week with activities, for example, there was pottery. There was a, cuisine that, yeah. If you wanted to try and make Italian cuisine, you could do it. And then the speakers every day there is like talks and workshops. There’s mostly one track, but sometimes there’s two. And so I think that’s super reasonable now to keep people on track. And if you want a place where you can feel welcome, as Michael has explained, with a lot of digital nomads, the venue is just ridiculous. It’s amazing. Definitely. Check out Italian, my first 2027. Yeah. If you have a if you want a place to stay, maybe hear this, please.

 

Marco: Read this book.

 

Cesar: Ahead. We’ll cover you. Better yet.

 

Marco: But yes, we are here in this in you. You’re more than welcome also in the community. So if you don’t find space, we have this community.

 

Cesar: We are on WhatsApp that people can post things and they can share and they can.

 

Marco: Yeah, I think is one of the good things here in Palermo is you don’t have just to come back for the festival. You have to come back because Palermo is welcome, because I was waiting for you. And then because like there is the festival, but the festival is an excuse like to stay longer. Yeah. So it’s like a feast first, right? So you arrive, enjoy the festival, and then start to belong to a city that is waiting for you. And this is ready to.

 

Cesar: Yeah. That’s exactly. For example, what am I doing with, my girlfriend Adriana, that we came here also as community managers. So we stayed for the event, and I was saying about, more, what is going on around the city, and it’s just very lovely. The streets have a lot of you can feel the history, you know, and, the buildings are beautiful. We went today to mondello. Wow. So we had a walk. So. Yeah, but there was a lot to offer, so, I could see this becoming, the dynamite hub, because there’s also 300 days of sun each year, so not much. We love, sun and good temperature. Right. So. So, yeah, I think, maybe this could be the start of of a very interesting story. Yes.

 

Marco: The good thing is that Batman is not like is it’s a big city, so. But it’s not that that huge is uncomfortable. But at the same time, being a city, you are like a very village sense. So now you’re going in the street to always meet the same person. If you’re going to part of the people, like the people of the community, starting to recognize you, to know who you are, what is your face, how is going so you feel like really connect with the people. So he’s like a big city because you have everything. He’s not missing anything for all the here. So no season. But at the same time you have this feeling of like of this small village with, yeah, you feel the people starting to to be know civilian.

 

Federico: I moved here for the two months prior to the, festival, and I live very in a very central location and in just two months. But actually earlier than that, thanks to the park, like, thanks to the community that exists here of expats and locals. I that’s what’s happening to me. I just get out my door and I meet people just hanging out there or passing by, and it’s it’s very nice feeling, you know? Makes me feel that doesn’t happen in my own village. Oh, yeah. Sometimes. Right. Because everybody left. So being in a city that you have that pulls you in and where you can belong, this happens. Yeah. Considering coming back very often or actually moving my base here.

 

Cesar: Okay. That’s great news. Absolutely.

 

Federico: As a nomad, it’s very hard to choose a base. Yes. Palermo checks so many of my checklists.

 

Cesar: Okay. And if you can’t find this place in the community next year because, this community and this co-living is, is quite successful. And if you want to find other community oriented co-living, like this community, make sure to check out our sponsors, and Macmillan for other co-living related communities. And I don’t know, I think that might be it. Yes. It was, super nice.

 

Marco: Maybe we are missing just a few.

 

Cesar: What does.

 

Marco: This mean for you? Because this is lunch. Like, this year with the Dalai.

 

Cesar: Lama, I true, he announced. It is all in the name face. What is it about us?

 

Marco: So this year, we we missed like a superstar in our in our is speakers list. Not because we didn’t invite him, but because he has a problem to. We did. Yeah. And so that is the subtitle from Global Nomad does so because of this year. Like also we launching like global here in Palermo. So we are he’s already online. So everyone that is like having no one to buy like he’s going to fight. They are going to find like this county like places that are local that we selected us. So is a partnership with the community that access both of them. So we are like part of this big family is something great. You, you see like these kind of materials collide.

 

Cesar: Yeah. I look for another project inside. Yeah, yeah. So people definitely check Global Nomad Pass to see local, tips on places

 

Marco: To locally and then is like, at the beginning, probably the first release. So but we are still working with Sophie like to add some.

 

Cesar: More bags and because.

 

Marco: Of course with this I see what we did, like, first selection, but we read.

 

Cesar: This more actually.

 

Marco: So. Yes.

 

Cesar: Perfect. Well, Marco, Federico, thank you so much for being here in this podcast episode. Thank you, thank you, thank you, everyone for listening. I think.

 

Marco: For you for.

 

Cesar: Pasta. Yes.

 

Marco: My pasta.

 

Federico: We are ready.

 

Marco: For this call in English.

 

Cesar: I don’t know. And pasta. Thank you.

 

Marco: Rescue pasta are waiting here for you.

 

Cesar: Well, thank you, everyone, and see you in the next episode. Bye bye. I should say bye bye.

 

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